I’m confused by by the previous gentleman’s story. So, that’s another instance where a publishing admin would be important, right? I didn’t even have to set up a checking account to receive checks under the business name, since ASCAP does direct deposit. Just looked into DistroKid a little more. I questioned them on this several times and they kept fobbing me off. So, now that you’ve got a look at the PRO landscape, the big question is: which is the best? Youtube streaming royalties are less than these. This means I cannot work with another song plugging company (who may be really passionate about me) to pitch my music to TV shows, movies and commercials. I’ll reach out to Songtrust and see if they can comment. Thinking I probably won’t register with Songtrust since I’m already on ASCAP as both a writer and publisher. I wrote an article comparing Audiam and AdRev awhile back, and concluded the pennies aren’t worth the hassle. So, factor in that although sentric say 20 and songtrust say 15%, if you are a UK citizen being paid in the UK, you have to use payoneer and so it’s almost closer to 17%. If you’re sure you’re going to keep releasing music, you might as well go ahead and join! They are really just to let you know that the song is on Spotify. They have to pay people to listen, after all. As a publishing administrator, we're authorized to register your works and collect money on your behalf - you still own and control 100% of your copyright. May not work for you, but it works great for me. The problem is that they always show me as the songwriter but some other artist has recorded it. First I always had a bunch of “sales” which paid about “67” cents each year. ; Creator Reps Managers and lawyers connect with the most extensive, accessible publishing network in the industry. Check it out under the “What Songtrust collected” heading in the article. Thank you for your article. I have a question for you and hope you may have a thought about it. I’m registered as a writer in France with a PRO (SACEM) and registered as my own publisher in the US with ASCAP, so what will be the difference if i’ve join to songtrust? Does Songtrust collect mechanical royalties from YouTube, in the same way, say Rumblefish would? Thanks. I really have appreciated your feedback. So it’s not quite as simple for Brit songwriters to compare. Hi Brian, I’m glad to see you’re still responding to this thread. All artists and musicians need to know how to earn money from their music. No conflict – that’s how Songtrust wants you to set it up! If you know of any one that may help please let me know. It may seem trivial, but it is largely a vanity company after all … I’d like it to remain associated with my works! ; Creator Reps Managers and lawyers connect with the most extensive, accessible publishing network in the industry. The answer may be in earlier posts but I didn’t see it. Traditional performance royalties vs. digital performance royalties. I’m here in London. It still is the songwriter pays the industry where it should be the industry pays the songwriter. I’ve used it for 8 months with projects requiring several collaborators needing both sound recording and composition splits. So, you also have to make these decisions based on what will set you up best for the future, not just at this snapshot in time. Thank you so much for this article Brian!!! Artist definitely come out on top. The site stated NOTHING about charging $10 per song. But BMI is a PRO, so that’s different. I get my Pandora money from SoundExchange. Do me and my group members register with a PRO under the collective name or do we just run individual accounts and split percentages when we work togther?? I’m based in the UK and use PRS for collecting performance royalties and distribute my music with Distrokid. I believe there are still problems for the songwriter. Thanks again! Just want to say Kudos to you sir. Yes, I think CD Baby collect mechanical on downloads, but not streams. Hi, Brian. Songtrust is an additive service to being registered with ASCAP. And lastly, If i were to sign with SongTrust, is it possible to receive royalties via direct bank deposits/VISA from Africa? They haven’t changed this Terms since 2014, I guess. Maybe what I did was overkill, but we’ll see. Sounds like someone didn’t read the article. I was told the mechanical royalties from YouTube were in a different classification from regular mechanical royalties (maybe because they are microsync? I would’ve thought the code would’ve dried up by now. CD Baby has always been my recommendation, and the bulk of my discography is with them. You can register with Sound-exchange ( for those niche digital performance royalties). She was very helpful. Do you ever get these “Notice of Intention to Obtain an Compulsory license”…. Can I Join if I Am Already a Member of the Harry Fox Agency (HFA)? I think I got $26 last quarter from Songtrust. Required fields are marked *. If you have any kind of substantial streams, it quickly becomes more cost-effective to use tunecore. Thanks for the kind words Joni! Am I correct in understanding that TuneCore and CDBabyPro both digitally distribute your music (ie: putting it on iTunes, Spotify, etc) as well as collect international royalties, while Songtrust only collects the international royalties but leaves distributing the music up to the artist? I haven’t tested it with this tight a deadline, but it seems like it can be up next day. I signed up with Tunecore in 2014, but started to transition to Songtrust by 2016. Sorry I’m a bit of a cynic. Thanks so much for your help. Personally I wouldn’t let that sway my decision. If so, it’s much better to sign directly with Songtrust…, I’m just wondering as I want to distribute my music via CD Baby and sign with their publishing service, but I’m not sure if they take an additional cut after Songtrust take theirs. Does it require its own account, or is it part of your Songtrust writer’s account? Best, Glad to hear it Jonas! channels to just copy an release my artists work. Creators Songwriters, producers and creators collect royalties globally from your songs while keeping 100 percent of the rights. Any such licenses will be between you and your licensees. As far as I know, CD Baby doesn’t allow you to set iTunes pricing at $1.29. Total deal breaker. The title’s are similar but aren’t my songs. $73 in international performance royalties, $27 in international mechanical royalties. (vevo model in mind). Most societies require them to be claimed within 2-3 years. I’ve “only” earned about $80 to date (on the writer share through ASCAP). Are there any new solutions to help resolve this co-writing issue out there? My personal feelings are that under new ownership of cdbaby I haven’t received one “download” in three years. None of the agencies you’re working with has anything to do with copyright. I say complex because there seem to be many hands now dipping into the music of the independent artist. Am I correct? Hey Brian, very informative article ! Relieved to know my publishing company will [most likely] remain on my songs/catalog. I wouldn’t expect much either way, at least based on the $24K streams, which probably netted you less than $100 from your distributor. That said, I agree 100% that you can’t just submit the tracks and trust that everything will work out. I’m not familiar with MCPS, so I’m afraid I can’t be of much help. I’m not sure exactly what you’re hoping to get out of DistroKid or Indigoboom (which I’ve never heard of). Catch more of my promotional escapades in my How I’m Promoting My Music This Month email newsletter. that is not what I understand to be the case and that is why they promote their CD Baby Pro service. I have signed up and am excited to see the money that’s found. . I’m surprised to hear you were rejected by AWAL. Are you considering posting your lyrics online, and worried about them being stolen? It’s not CD Baby’s problem that you’re not selling downloads! Because your quality, creativity, and digital presence certainly exceeds most independents. If you’ve racked up 150K streams of your music (across all platforms), you should probably join Songtrust. Hey Brian, Personally, I’d rather pay once and be done with it. Great article. I was actually having a really good month on Spotify when they were reviewing my application, which I hoped would work in my favor. I must say, it is a very lengthy process so it’s important that songwriters/publishers read all the terms of their publishing administration agreement, in case they want to make the big switch. It will have to be done manually, so you’ll need to email [email protected]. Anyway, I think I have recorded loads of far more engaging music, all sat on a hard drive, and I am going to have a shot at getting work as a staff writer. In the way of trying to make a buck. True I don’t make a lot of money on cdbaby but I have a lot of streams. I’m learning as I go. ; Businesses Get complete song performance insights and new ways to collect revenue. You might also say that we have more companies advocating on our behalf to collect money that we otherwise wouldn’t see. When you say “If you’ve racked up 150K streams of your music, you should probably join Songtrust.” Do you mean 150K streams across any platform per year? Why Songtrust; Who Uses Songtrust. Stem looks like a good option at the moment – but it’s invite only! You can register for Songtrust (or any publisher, to handle your publishing). I’m trying to decide between the norwegian based indigoboom.no and Distrokid. This is a complicated subject, as you’ve seen! So what they are telling me is that after over a year and a half with them and several queries about this, they never bothered to check to make sure if my music was properly registered with HFA. On top of that Songtrust has a higher setup fee of 100$ (25$ higher than tunecore), a 15% cut (tunecore 10% & 20% for active) and while it seems with Songtrust you can only submit a maximum of 15 songs for the setup fee. The amount of time it would take to do that would be a full time job which is why publishing administrators exist. I have read you telling a few people that they shouldn’t be in a rush to attain a publishing admin until they create a fan base and have actual royalties to collect internationally. It looks like there is an option for HFA to collect outside of the US on your behalf, but that would still leave uncollected mechanical royalties from sources like Pandora and Soundcloud, etc. I’m thinking registering with Distrokid or Indigoboom and waiting with registering with an admin publisher. Should I sign up for SoundExchange as well? If you sign up with Songtrust directly, your entire catalogue is covered. Yeah I’d be happy to shoot them an email at the same time you apply again, just let me know when you do it! Is that a good idea? Also I’m not happy with cdbaby. Do you think the demos should be registered with songtrust beforehand, or does that put them in the public domain and therefore messes up any idea of exclusivity? Feel free to reach out at [email protected]. Brilliant but as I am in Australia I have no idea whether this is a good idea for me or not. We register your songs globally and collect on your behalf. I have a “Single plan” account (50 songs, $100). If you make your own original music as an independent artist, songwriter, producer, composer, or lyricist, there are more opportunities than ever to earn significant income from music publishing.. This is because it typically takes up to 12 months for Songtrust to register your songs globally...". They ignored me. The 150k streams number is assuming a 40-60 cent per 1,000 streams USA weighted steam-count on interactive streaming services(e.g. Why Songtrust; Who Uses Songtrust. I know this is an older article but still very helpful. Could you explain me this? I don’t remember reading that Songtrust would show up on my ASCAP account as 50% publisher. Overall it’s been a really frustrating time with Songtrust, I do not ‘trust’ Songtrust and would warn musicians to make 100% sure they are getting the royalties they are due as my experience of them is poor customer services and very poor royalty collection. Spotify, Apple Music, Deezer, Tidal, Amazon, paid $8-9.99/mo services). https://aristake.com/?post=92. Lets say I begin gaining heavy international streams/royalties in 6 months, will the publishing admin reach back to collect all of the previous earnings once i sign up ? Secondly i am in a music group and also a solo artist (for eg. I wouldn’t worry about the mix-up. I’m not a label, but if I collaborate with 4 artists, I’ll end up paying the label tier. There is a lot to learn and like one person above mentioned, so many hands dipping into the pot these days, it is more confusing than clarifying when you get out there and try to figure out what step to actually take next or what company to bring on board. Two forward one back it was for a bit, trying to get the ball rolling. ; Creator Reps Managers and lawyers connect with the most extensive, accessible publishing network in the industry. Some western European countries pay more per 1,000 streams, some less…. You have to pay 10$ for each 10 following tracks, so it’s actually not a one time fee as with Tunecore. You need an account to post a reply. I think unless you go out of your way to contact them they don’t care, they never sent me anything or have followed even one time. And, who has the time to register with every PRO in every country and keep track of anything that's going on there? This can be done by Selecting “Payment Information” from the “Profile” section on the left hand side of your ASCAP account. ASCAP, BMI, SESAC). Etch-A-Sketch This would also give you a little more autonomy in the industry. Is that right? Is there something i have to do first? Thank you. SongTrust vs ASCAP/BMI/SESAC Can someone please explain what is difference of using a resource like Songtrust vs Direct registration with the P.R.O.'s. And don’t forget, you’re paying $10 per single and $50 per album every year just to keep them in distribution! Hello Brian good Article. you pay once if your release does nothing for you, but cdbaby takes 9% of everything you earn. I assume TuneCore is just straight distribution and not their publishing, which would be redundant with Songtrust. There are yet more details to evaluate, no? CD Baby members are no doubt already familiar with CD Baby Pro, which is powered by Songtrust. We signed up with AWAL last year and really like their whole operation on balance. Just to clarify, what would SongTrust be collecting on my behalf that the 3 establishments (mentioned above) aren’t already collecting on? )benefit I can see of using Songtrust, is they are affiliated with HFA and will receive your mechanical royalties from them, on your behalf. It turns out that retroactive mechanicals are hard to uncover. When you buy products through links across our site, we may earn an affiliate commission. (This is non-paid advertisement). ASCAP vs BMI vs SESAC – How To Get Your Royalties. Thanks! Why Songtrust; Who Uses Songtrust. After attempting to register earlier, I discovered the discount code was not working for me either. We have entered into a license with Facebook in the USA and have various licenses in other territories as well. I’m not sure what you’re expecting of them. Does anybody have information on kobalt or any experiences with them? Thank you for the info, and I signed up here as well. Also, would Songtrust collect from TikTok? You do that directly with the library, for free. ; Creator Reps Managers and lawyers connect with the most extensive, accessible publishing network in the industry. If you’re already receiving both writer and publisher royalties from your PRO, and have less than 150K streams, the decision is more difficult. The International Standard Musical Work Code (ISWC) is an 11-character alphanumeric code or international identification system cataloging individual compositions (usually songs), rather than recordings. I’ve used Tunecore and CD Baby in the past and moved over to Distrokid a year ago as I’m realising singles every month and an album once a year – I am starting to get a litte frustrated as the more collaborations you add, the more it costs. The TAXI and Songhunters submission fees are more of a disincentive than anything, to stop people from sending in anything and everything. Brian Hazard is a recording artist with over twenty years of experience promoting eleven Color Theory albums, and head mastering engineer and owner of Resonance Mastering in Huntington Beach, California. It Gets Worse. To the best of my understanding, even if you affiliate directly with HFA, you still haven’t covered Music Reports in the US, or any of your mechanical royalties outside the US. If you’ve already got songs registered with your PRO, they’ll pull them into their system for free. My music has racked up a lot of views on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook videos. Sorry I can’t reply to your comment directly. Tieran, if you aren’t sure I suggest checking out https://www.songtrust.com/estimate-your-streaming-royalties this will give you a better estimate of your royalties. I'm trying to add myself as a songwriter but its not allowing me to. Next, they’ll register an unlimited number of songs with over 45 collection societies worldwide. Hi Brian, thank you for this article – very informative. The way I read your description is that your payments are indeed behind thanks to HFA, and your cancellation prompted Songtrust to turn the screws on them a bit. As for splits and direct deposit, you’ll need to ask them directly. Songtrust and Tunecore Publishing are both publishing admins, so you can’t have both. what about if you already with a p.r.o. Launched:1939 Membership Size:800,000 members Official site: BMI.com Socials: @BMI Location: USA About:BMI is one of the biggest and well known Performing Rights Organizations in the United States. If I were you, I’d wait until you’re more established to bother with publishing administration. Just when I become confident with my knowledge in one area, I move to another subject, only to find I didn’t know as much I thought I did. My understanding is that Songtrust works through HFA, and that HFA doesn’t work directly with artists. Oh and about CDBaby: if you sell less than 100$ a year, CDBaby is a good deal, ’cause you pay 9% instead of a yearly 10$ fee, but if your track does well and you make say 1000$, CDBaby takes 90$ instead of the 10$. Songtrust - Music Publishing Royalty Collection and Administration from ASCAP, BMI, SESAC, HFA, Music Reports and more. I wouldn’t worry about it. And I would be very appreciative if you have an idea –like is this done intentionally? The trade-off is that you’re giving up 15% (our commission) of your royalties in exchange for direct global registration to +50 pay sources with the convenience of only entering your song information once. ), but it sounds to me like it’s just another way of saying you’re free to pitch your stuff for sync placements with whoever you want — Songtrust only handles administration. Thanks for this candid, well-written article. what about international performance royalties. Do I need to register with an admin publisher to collect my mechanical fees or is that my PRO’s job? Songtrust will handle the PRO stuff for you if you choose, but I handle SoundExchange directly. As I understand it…You can register with a PRO as publisher and writer(performance royalties). Rumblefish (which I don’t think I can join on my own) does youtube content ID, but I think they do many other microsync things too. Your music is good. The site stated $100 to join, and they would take 15%. looks like a good book. , but want to make sure all your international royalties are being credited. I highly recommend reading The Song Machine if you haven’t already: https://amzn.to/2flvGBI. Will Songtrust Be My Publisher? Thank you for answering everybody’s questions and sharing your experience and knowledge. As of August 2019, Songtrust has collected a total of $804 on my behalf. Tunecore deezer for the codebase and to spotify in getting good in the. And, again, you have to import your setlists. For instance, if I joing Audiam, it looks like they are a publishing admin AND they collect master recording royalties via youtube content id, while Songtrust is only the publishing admin. Thanks again! If you would like to create a Songtrust account please use an alternate email address.”. I wasn't getting anything from ASCAP. Hi Brian, I’ve been a full time composer / producer for TV & Radio and a BMI member for over 20 years. You may know this by now, but DistroKid can do this for you. Which brings me to my main question: What exactly is the relationship between Songtrust and HFA? ; Creator Reps Managers and lawyers connect with the most extensive, accessible publishing network in the industry. CD Baby…The past was better than the present. I’d also like to know if CDBaby allows you to charge 1,29$ per iTunes download as with Tunecore. The key word here is “STEALING”. I’ve been reading like crazy about this to make up mind what I should do. When I have tried to sign up with “Songtrust”. Thankyou Brian for shedding some light on the “publisher” thing on ASCAP. I’ prefer to use a few companies as possible and don’t want to overlap, having 2 companies doing the same thing. If you’re regularly receiving royalties from your PRO as a writer, and don’t want to set up a vanity publishing company, then you should absolutely join Songtrust. As for SoundCloud, I have no idea. One thing I am still unsure about is how to collect the mechanical royalties from YouTube. They also collect mechanical royalties which ASCAP, BMI, etc. Nothing wrong with that, but again… what are you expecting Songtrust to do? And how do you collect this money? The author asks if it’s worth joining Songtrust or just using a PRO only. Transferring titles using our transfer tool does not affect your credit count. I have my first single that I’m trying to release in the most efficient yet thorough way, which is why I ask this. We will only 102 albums are’international standard and she’ll. Fortunately, Songtrust more than made up for it by collecting an additional $322 for me that I wouldn’t have otherwise received: What about those missing radio royalties from 2000? I mean across all platforms, all-time. His Passive Promotion blog emphasizes “set it and forget it” methods of music promotion. Was planning on using Songtrust (and in the process join ASCAP so as to avoid creating a vanity publishing company), but just realized that this might not distribute as well. No, Songtrust is not a Performing Rights Organization (PRO). I’m not sure there’s any difference in functionality. Thanks……Ron. Otherwise I’d be wondering if there was a pot of gold waiting for me at the end of the rainbow. If I were in your shoes, my first call would be to your prospective PRO. You have a nice voice. I had read about them a while back, but had forgotten all about them as I have been so focused on HFA. Using tunecore for distribution. After cdbaby having probably 3 owners since I joined, I haven’t received on iTunes a payment that represents a “sale” as compared to “streaming”. https://help.songtrust.com/knowledge, Question here? pretty bad honestly…. Why release through both CD Baby and TuneCore? When I briefly tried Distrokid, I was frustrated with extra costs I didn’t foresee (scheduling a release date, cover songs), so I bailed out and got a refund. I actually sent an email to them same time i posted my comment. We act as a publishing administrator to collect publishing royalties on behalf of songwriters. I don’t believe Songtrust revealed that to me. Songtrust is a publishing administration company. In addition to Eric, in the terms; Best, If you’re releasing and actively promoting your music, you need to be registered with a PRO and with SoundExchange. Thanks for the recommendation Nicole! I've contacted CS, so far nothing.I feel completely screwed! Imagine my shock when I logged in a few months later and saw a NEGATIVE BALANCE of $305.05!!!!!!!!! I’m a member of the norwegian PRO Tono (www.tono.no). Launched in 1914, ASCAP is … None of these numbers are very big for me, and cover the peace of mind and simplicity I’ve had with DistroKid. I believe in CD Baby parlance, a stream is one form of sale. My understanding is Songtrust tracks a writer’s registered songs on all streaming platforms and sales (foreign and domestic). Finally I decided to cancel my membership and it was only when they queried my reasons for quitting that they owned up to the following; “HFA (Harry Fox Agency) is currently about 6 months behind on song registrations (an issue that has affected many songwriters) I found your song registered at HFA already, which is great, however, they do not automatically license the works as well once they are registered there. Your insight is amazing thanks a bunch! I don’t see why it would make any difference one way or the other, but it could very well be I’m missing something obvious! If you do really well, this construction could set you back plenty of dollars.. If Songtrust is representing a writer as the writer’s administrative publisher, how did Songtrust not know about the 24K on Spotify and subsequently pay him? Fantastic! Have you tried Songtrust, CD Baby Pro, or TuneCore publishing? If not, when so? I’ve included a copy below. So if you want your overseas mechanicals, you still need something like Songtrust. They are still yet to get back to me but thanks again anyways. I’ve been a BMI writer for over a decade, and have a publishing company registered there as well. I would like to believe that I’m well covered as far as royalty collections. What I don’t understand about your article is that you mention Tunecore has a catch: you have to work with them exclusively for licensing. I have also created my own publishing company, but would like to know what the disadvantages/advantages are with registering my own publishing company with BMI and with a publishing admin at the same time ? If you’re not with a PRO already, Songtrust will help you get set up. It’s too bad that your downloads dropped so dramatically, but that’s most certainly what happened (same with me). What's the Difference Between Songtrust and Audiam? I am an artiste in Nigeria about to release my song. Even if the numbers didn’t work out in my favor, I’d still be glad I went with Songtrust. If so, their work is done. Regarding your publishing company: If you don’t mind, could you detail how you registered it with Songtrust? What publishing outfit would you recommend i use being that i am neither american, canadian or from the UK and how do i go about it. You can’t even specify a release date on their $20/year plan! I’ve tried to understand, but still not sure. You should probably check out Stem.is. Is Songtrust a Performing Rights Organization (like ASCAP, BMI, SESAC)? 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